Krieg has now been Krieg proceeded to lead the Seahawks to another playoff appearance, but Krieg's performance failed to prevent a narrow loss on the road in the first round against the Houston Oilers. good grief How can you forget a dude who had 108 fumbles and 148 interceptions in 119 starts for this team? In reply to The other players profiled by Joey-Harringto. Meanwhile, in St. Louis, former Colorado State quarterback Kelly Stouffer held out for a full year after the Cardinals selected him sixth overall in the 1987 draft. Little (or widely) known fact: He has the fourth He's now a high school coach and autism activist. Have for years merged Dave Krieg and Steve DeBerg together into fusion of the ultimate 80s journeyman QB, Stave KrieBerg. The Hundredth Monkey on Twitter: "@andeparks I was there too! WebDave Krieg was probably the 12th best QB in the NFL in his era behind Montana, Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Esiason, Kosar, OBrien, Simms, Lomax, and Cunningham. The other players profiled in this series had multiple seasons near the top of the DVOA leaderboards. I looked it up, in 1993 after 7-2 Miami lost Marino for the season and Scott Mitchell went down, they signed DeBerg, then 39, off-the-street and put him as their starter. Should Dave Krieg Be In The Hall of Fame? YES Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy | Responsible Gaming, Support Football Outsiders' independent media and Mike Tanier. General manager Mike McCormack took over as head coach and reinstated Zorn when play resumed in November. Sports Reference They are always starting for a 6-10 team, and fumbling twice per game. Find your friends on Facebook. In reply to I liked DeBerg, he had by Noahrk. And as is the norm with all the draft pundits and analysts and supposed professional scouts, this is somehow a significant point of contention when projecting Picketts career. Krieg finished fifth in DVOA behind Boomer Esiason, Warren Moon, Marino, and Jim Everett. WebDavid Michael Krieg is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. He finished the season fourth in DVOA (behind Tommy Kramer, Marino, and Boomer Esiason) and eighth in DYAR. The Lions went 5-2 down the stretch. Krieg's Bears success earned him a two-year stint behind Steve McNair for Jeff Fisher's Oilers/Titans. All-Pro Steve Largent missed several games because of a fractured elbow. Lefty passers! When Zorn continued to struggle in the final game of the season,[12] Coach Mike McCormack inserted Krieg, who rallied Seattle to a victory over the Denver Broncos. Damn. 907830E5-9AEB-4FD2-9C5E-5AFCA574DF26.jpeg. He played most of his career with coaches who practically hated their quarterbacks, or at least the modern passing offenses those quarterbacks represented. Stouffer stepped in and led the Seahawks to a pair of wins, mostly by handing off to Warner and John L. Williams. After hovering around .500 forever for Knox and playing for Schottenheimer and Ryan, Krieg was destined to end up with Fisher. That's not the sort of thing a team does when it is completely satisfied with its starting quarterback. I always felt Krieg was underrated and never got his due. Went to the now-defunct Milton College. Yeah, it doesnt look any better in writing. Krieg signed with the Seahawks' division rivals, the Kansas City Chiefs, and started for them throughout 1992, leading his new team to a 106 record, including two victories over Seattle. Maybe Dave Krieg with the small hand thing. Or Steve DeBerg. [7], By the middle of the 1981 season, Krieg overtook Sam Adkins on the depth chart to become the Seahawks' second-string quarterback. WebDave Krieg is near the bottom; I consider him to be the poster child for small-handed quarterbacks. Garrett Gilbert, Gale's son, made an emergency start for the Cowboys last year. You are using an out of date browser. Or Steve DeBerg. Krieg led the Seahawks to a 34-21 win over the Raiders that week. But Krieg produced 21 points in 11 minutes, nearly leading a comeback in a 27-21 loss. (Everyone, or at least most males born in the first half of the 1970s after 1970-1971, also rememberBobby "The Brain" Heenan was Ken Patera's manager.). Krieg signed as a free agenta real free agent this timewith Buddy Ryan's Arizona Cardinals, another team with a quartergeezer habit. The college's enrollment had been dwindling for years, but coach Rudy Gaddini had recently built a local powerhouse. I loaded up a video of the 1984 Seahawks' Week 13 victory over the Broncos to watch as part of my prep for this article. But when Zorn suffered a broken ankle in 1981, Patera surprised everyoneincluding Kriegby naming Krieg the starter. Patera was fired near the start of the strike. See Photos. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. 1988 SEAHAWKS: Had his worst game as a pro replacing injured Dave Krieg in loss to 49ers in Week 4. Krieg has now been surpassed by both Brett Favre and Warren Moon for career fumbles. My parents used to tape the games and send them to me so I could see my team play. Did our Marvin49 just get featured in a niner nation article? Really liked him a lot except for those small hands. He threw three touchdowns, two of them to Largent, in a blowout victory over the Browns in the season finale. Jones was, in fact, the player who injured Mitchell. At that time, what was right was letting Dave stay in. Knox had led the Rams and Bills to the playoffs in his last two stops. ", That late surge only brought a small measure of job security, however. But otherwise, I dont see much. Use promo code, C.J. Krieg backed up Zorn and Sam Adkins as an undrafted rookie. He retired as a Seahawk, and held his press conference in Cheney because it was the site of his first camp in 1980. Krieg is the quarterback Fitzpatrick wishes he could be. Krieg came to rely on fullback John L. Williams after Largent retired that season. And he called plays using a shoulder mounted speaker system for a time as well. Krieg (as you mentioned)was awesome down the stretch, Herman Moore was emerging as a star, and Barry Sanders was having one of his signature seasons. Dave Krieg. Rhome told the press that Krieg "had nothing but a rifle for an arm" when the Seahawks decided to keep him, but he had since learned the position. Ray Didinger called Krieg the "surprise of the year" in a syndicated awards column. Having lived near the Seattle mediasphere during Krieg's reign I really liked this piece. WebSEATTLE . It actually made some sense why Reeves turned to DeBerg when things were tough in 1998, even though DeBerg was only slightly younger than Bob Hope at the time. DeBerg moved on, and Krieg found himself handing off to Christian Okoye and Barry Word in a conservative offense for a team run by an old-school head coach that got hammered in the first round of the playoffs. [15], Krieg's inconsistency contributed to the mediocrity of the Seahawks in 1985. Krieg led the Seahawks to a pair of easy early-season wins, then suffered one of his midseason mini-apocalypses against the Chargers, throwing three interceptions before a separated shoulder sidelined him for weeks. Web8 1/2 hand Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) March 3, 2022. He placed first in the basketball and rowing events, beating athletes including Gault, Walker, Randall Cunningham, Evander Holyfield, and Carl Lewis. They were considered the hottest team in the AFC and possibly the NFL at the end of the season, but missed the playoffs at 10-6 due to tiebreakers. Knox added that Gilbert would remain the starter for the rest of the season. The Dolphins unfortunately wouldn't win another game, although the defense -par for the course- was more to blame for that than DeBerg or Mitchell, who came back to start the last couple of games. I was in the Army in Germany during the late 80's - early 90s seasons. Although the Seahawks managed only a 79 record, Krieg played well enough to earn a return trip to the Pro Bowl, where he performed impressively, helping lead the AFC to victory.[23]. Knox replaced Krieg with Jim Zorn to finish out the game as the visiting Seahawks lost to the Raiders, who went on to win Super Bowl XVIII. Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. Neither Krieg nor the Chiefs must have noticed that anything much had changed. Another high first-rounder (who was at least good in college) McGwire managed 3 INTs and 3 sacks (0 TDs) in his only start of the season. In the most memorable game of the season, on November 11, the Seahawks made their annual visit to Arrowhead Stadium, where they had not won since 1980. "When I got another chance that made me realize how fortunate I was to play in the National Football League," Krieg said during that December hot streak. When I think of Dave Kreig, I always think of the 1985 Seahawks, the team that alternated four 2 game winning streaks with four 2 game losing streaks. Does being in the top half of the league in DVOA make Kreig a top-5 all time Bears QB? His play ranged from awful (2 games with passer ratings below 15) to mediocre (5 games in the 50s and 60s) to good (4 games in the 70s, 80s, or 90s) to brilliant (5 games with ratings over 100). More posts you may like. Some of our best years, pre-Holmgren. Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. How dare you besmirch the good name of the ultraback. "Rodney Dangerfield Gets More Respect Than Seattle's Krieg" was the headline of the profile I just cited. In reply to We're talking about this in by Mike Tanier. Zorn and Krieg battled through the 1983 offseason, but Knox refused to acknowledge the controversy that the press was breathlessly reporting about. "Ground Chuck" took flight under Dave Krieg. My favorite Kelly Stouffer statline is from 1991. I remember when 44 year old Deberg started a game for the 1998 Falcons (one of their 2 losses that season). Thanks for this article - Dave Krieg was one of my favorite players - and I thought I was the only one who thought he was pretty great! Thanks for pointing that out. There are so many good bad stats from this team, but my personal favorite is that they never topped 17 points on the season and had a six-game stretch in which they scored 22 points total! "There isn't anything particularly outstanding I can tell you about Kelly Stouffer other than he has a good arm, he's tall, and he can move around pretty good," Knox said of the quarterback his team traded a first-round pick for. Then he melted down in the Wildcard Game, leading to one of the all-time playoff beat-downs, and subsequently went back to being the Scott Mitchell we all know and love today. He was impressing coaches and teammates with his ability to fire tight spirals into the wind. They crushed the eventual AFC champion Broncos 41-16 in the final game of the regular season (when Denver still had something to play for). Krieg returned to the lineup the following week. [22], In 1989, Krieg struggled to lead an offense depleted by injuries. Anyway, the Seahawks traded three draft picks, including a 1989 first-rounder, for the rights to Stouffer. Hmm, it doesnt appear his hand size matters! Small hands. The absence of Warner, who tore an ACL in the 1984 season opener, had a lot to do with the change. Then he had a choppy first half of '95, and fans were calling for him to be benched for Don Majkowski (seriously), who did play well in one start filling in for an injured Mitchell. The Seahawks went 2-1 in replacement games, in part because Largent and a few others crossed the picket lines. WebClick the graphic to view Dave Krieg's video and to find out about his involvement and appearances with the NFL's Health and Wellness Program. "John Elway is a fellow who can really drill the ball Dave's arm probably isn't as strong but he gets the ball there and he's right on target, and that's the most important thing, isn't it?". David Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). [37][38], Krieg was released by the rechristened Tennessee Titans in July 1999 after the team signed Neil O'Donnell to backup McNair. He, and his digits, persevered to an all-time career. WebKrieg was the holder of the NFL record for most career fumbles for many years, owing to both a lengthy career at quarterback and extremely small hands for the position. Dave Krieg Stroud Falls to Colts in GTM's Final Mock Draft, Aaron Rodgers and the Jets: Low Floor, Low Ceiling, QBASE 2023: Why Bryce Young Tops C.J. It closed in 1982. Hand size is more of a fun trivia fact than anything that says a quarterback will fail in the big leagues. WebThe official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more. "I said earlier in the week that we don't want to get this guy into the game and let him get into a rhythm," Jones said. Dave Krieg of the Seattle Seahawks, seen here in between fumbles. The Seahawks went 12-4 and avenged themselves against the Raiders in the playoffs but got hammered by Marino's Dolphins in the divisional round. Thanks as always for the great write-up! "Stouffer has been impressive, very impressive," Knox said, even though Stouffer completed just 20 total passes and threw zero touchdowns in his two starts. Krieg bounced back a bit in 1986, and the Seahawks started the season 5-2. [1][9][10][11], Krieg began the strike-shortened 1982 season as the Seahawks' starting quarterback and played respectably until a thumb injury sidelined him for several weeks. Smizik was often curmudgeonly in his writing. I was about to jump in to defend Dave Krieg, and say, "You're not giving him enough credit! Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. Things weren't going well. The USFL created a bidding war for top players, and once it folded, NFL owners tried to roll back salaries. I used to claim that he must have been before my time. FactSnippet No. Veteran Jeff Kemp, who looked great when throwing to Largent against insurance salesmen in 1987, flopped in a one-game trial as the backup. But this was long before the era when NFL scouts effectively beat the deep bushes, or when film of NAIA quarterbacks was readily available on YouTube or Hudl for any deep-diving draftnik. Krieg said Patera wouldn't allow players to drink water during 90-degree training camp two-a-days, which wasn't that unusual back then. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, help is available. "When you get a good horse, you just grab the reins and hang on.". Gilbert should have kept looking. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com. When that remedy failed to avert a four-game losing streak, Knox gave Krieg another chance. By the end of his first full season as a starter, Krieg's story was already becoming a trope. There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. See Photos. Even when the young starter played poorly,[33] coach Jeff Fisher declined to insert Krieg. Dave Krieg Seattle General Manager Tom Flores decided to retain Stouffer and McGwire, and to let Krieg become a free agent. "We don't want him looking over his shoulder to see if every time he makes a mistake we're warming up Dave Krieg," Knox said. [29] The team went 4-12, which resulted in head coach Buddy Ryan and Krieg losing their jobs. "The veteran quarterback took over for Scott Mitchell, saved the Lions season, and probably saved Wayne Fontes' job," Didinger wrote. EXCELLENT article on our QB and thus draft situation, Some Denver fans not sure we won Wilson trade. Little (or widely) known fact: He has the fourth-smallest hands among current starters. 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In recognition of this impressive performance, Krieg's NFL peers named him to his first Pro Bowl. He went 1-of-8 for 2 yards, three sacks, and one interception in the first half of a Week 8 against the Steelers, who were without Jack Lambert on defense and Terry Bradshaw on offense. How much does Kenny Pickett's hand size actually matter? JavaScript is disabled. Many years later, Lions tackle Lomas Brown admitted that he got "gator arms" on the guy he was blocking because he was wanted Mitchell out of the game. Then Krieg got benched in favor of Gilbert in the fourth quarter of the same game. Catching Up With Legend Dave Krieg I remember thinkingat the time that having to watch Stouffer lead Seahawks offense over and over again must be one of the punishments sinners endure in hell. Gannett may earn revenue from sports betting operators for audience referrals to betting services. "Dave has a lot of vision on the field," Largent said in a Miami Herald feature during the 1983 playoffs. Definitely not the oldest person on here if you are using Krieg as a reference .. ROFL.. kids? Youre legally obligated to mention WebSmall hands.. the anti Russell hands. I saw one of those Top 10 Busts or some such show where one player was saying that Mirer was done as soon as they figured out he wouldn't or couldn't throw to his right or his left, I can't remember which any more. WebDave Krieg is one of the NFLs greatest underdog stories. Makes sense that it's hard to play QB when you can't throw to one side of the field. The 15 Largest Hand Sizes in NBA History - HowTheyPlay He always seems to have a big play ready. I remember Krieg beating out Sam Adkins for the #2 job, then replacing Zorn! I think the cut off point in terms of date of birth is probably sometime in 1970 or 1971. Stouffer, as mentioned, was terrible. In the spring of 1989, Krieg competed in NBC's prestigious Superstars competition, a series of physical challenges pitting athletes from various sports against one another. or. WebDavid Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). Despite a brief midseason slump, Krieg played more consistently during the strike-shortened 1987 season. "He's the man we're going with," Turner said of Krieg at the time. Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. He also had 417 rushing attempts for 1,261 yards and 13 touchdowns and 3 pass receptions for 10 yards. Of course I remember him. WebFor many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. Consistently inconsistent. Yes, that one season was pretty extraordinary, but he's going to have to wait for Mike to write a series of "One Hit Wonders" articles. His regular season career winloss record is 98-77. I moved to the Seattle area in 1983-84 and vividly remember the Zorn vs. Krieg debates. You and every Seahawks fan over the age of 40. and losers (oh no, Lions) of the 2023 NFL Draft, Ranking all 32 current NHL away jerseys, from worst to best, The Brewers' Willy Adames got ejected after a blatantly spiteful sequence from umpire Adam Beck, Will Levis' sad night sitting in the NFL Draft green room in 8 photos and videos, A fired-up Steph Curry told the Kings to 'light the beam' as the Warriors ended Sacramento's season, Will Levis's Pro Day quote on not wanting to be in NFL Draft green room if he wasn't a first-round pick was sadly prescient, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. Yep. I remember reading in the Super Bowl 16 program (the first Super Bowl program my father bought for me as a kid; the 1981 season was also the first NFL season I followed closely), which always includes a season in review section on a week by week basis, that after the Seahawks won their second meeting with the Jets in the 1981 season that of their 34 wins in franchise history up to that point, 6 of them were against the Jets. Knox resigned. Kramer suffered a back injury, and Krieg went on to start 12 games. Does anyone else remember Dave Krieg? | Seahawks Dave Krieg [2023 Update]- Stats, Net Worth & Wife - Players Bio In January 2017, Krieg raised the 12 Flag atop the Space Needle a few days before the Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions, 26-6, in an NFL Wild Card playoff game.[44]. Considering retirement after I was informed the football will be slipping out of my tiny hands. ), 2) There's a very thin difference in time between sports fans who remember Jack Patera, Seahawks head coach better (and think of Ken as Jack's brother)or remember Ken Patera, Olympic and (and more notably) pro wrestler better (and think of Jack as Ken's brother). Given the opportunity to play in the fourth game of his freshman season (1976), he completed four passesthree of them for touchdownsand continued to play well enough to start for the rest of his college career. Krieg took over in the second half. [30], In 1996, the Chicago Bears signed Krieg to back up Erik Kramer. Log in or sign up for Facebook to connect with friends, family and people you know. But Krieg was now an in-demand veteran backup. I think the description of Kreig being part Romo and part Fitzpatrick is pretty good. DeBerg went 40 of 58 for 539 yards the next two games to beat New England and Dallas, the eventual SB winner, in the Leon Lett game. Then Mitchell finished the year on fire, and everyone was like, "Hey, maybe this will work after all!".
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