For more podcasts from [00:22:00] iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. When Julie asked Herb Baumeister, her husband of 23 years, about the bones, he told her they were from his anesthesiologist fathers medical school skeleton. He was the eldest child of Herbert and Elizabeth Baumeister, and he led a seemingly happy childhood. Fox Hollow Farm ranks among its most popular destinations, said Troy Taylor, American Hauntings founder. His 3-page suicide note blamed stress related to his marriage and business for his suicide and made no mention of the fact that he was on the cusp of being publicly outed as a serial killer of gay men. Still, that year in 1994 Julie thought Herb was acting more strange than usual lately. They co-owned a chain of Sav-A-Lot thrift stores in Indianapolis, which donated some $50,000 a year to programs to help neglected children. What she means by that is she saw him as a devoted, if often absent husband, a good father [00:15:00] to their three children and a successful provider for the family. Days later, on July 3, 1996, his corpse turned up in Canada, an apparent suicide. Leaving them exposed for the monsters they were underneath. Thats when her son brought home a human skull. Intrigued and more than a little suspicious of the stranger, the informant introduced himself to the man. Doctor Psycho Podcast - A Forensic Psychology Podcast The Dayton Daily News reported that the 15-year-old found a skull on the property and showed it to his mother. Serial Killers That Still Haunt the Earthly Plane, Killers of Medieval Times and the Renaissance, The Women Who Were Married to Serial Killers, 12 Women Who Were Married To Notorious Serial Killers. For years people thought Julie Baumeister was a silly, stupid, or gullible woman. But what about women who married serial killers before or during their crimes? So why mannequins? He had shot himself and left a three-page suicide note, but he did not mention the murders he was believed to have committed. [00:06:30] But that presents a problem for the killer. According to Julie, Herb had made countless trips to Ohio during those years, supposedly on store business. This leads to faulty perception, inappropriate feelings and even actions. Hoff allegedly would often complain to Gacy about the awful smell emanating from below the house, which Gacy dismissed as a moisture buildup in the crawl space. However, with only one mans story of a sexual encounter gone awry, the police didnt have enough evidence for a search warrant, and Herb rebuffed them at the estate. [00:14:30] Its a question I always have regarding the spouses of serial killers, how is it possible that they dont know their partner is guilty of murdering people outside and sometimes even inside their own home? They had to get to Julie. Reports of strange dreams, misbehaving vacuum cleaners, and the figure of a man in a red t-shirt blend with more sinister tales of apparitions walking without legs and the feeling of cold hands trying to choke LeBlanc in the pool. I guess well never know the answer. Other members of our family would just laugh and shake their heads and wonder why he was drawn to books about such dark material. The informant suspected that Smart had just snorted some cocaine. Follow on Twitter and Facebook at Insomniacpod, on Instagram at InsomniacPodcast and on our website, InsomniacPodcast.com. [00:01:00] I have nightmares, extremely vivid, realistic nightmares that prevent me from sleeping sometimes for several nights in a row. The remains were pulled from the wooded area of the property, concealed under piles of fallen leaves and trash. The raccoons must have dragged it out of the garage. That was all right then, Julie thought. It seems that there was a lot that Herb Baumeister didnt tell his wife. [00:07:00] How he found a way to share his terrible secret with an entire group of onlookers, and he knew that none of them would ever report him to the police. 10 had disappeared in the previous two years beginning in the spring of 1993. On the surface, Baumeister, 48, seemed an unlikely candidate for the role of serial sex slayer. Its difficult, but try to imagine yourself [00:16:30] in that position. Police found the remains of at least 11 men at Fox Hollow Farm, eight of which were eventually identified. Did they not care? That doesnt mean Herbs dark side was without its own warning signs. Scott Benjamin: The poor thing deserved a better fate than that. The question is this, is Herb really that upset about the treatment of a dead raccoon, or is he using this as an opportunity to try to blend in? Mawson described their encounter at a bar in Seattle toPeople magazine:I thought, Hes good looking. Yes! Im in a seemingly endless cycle of insomnia and all that comes with it. But those old books were enough to get me started and more than enough to show me that fact is almost always more interesting than fiction. Create a free profile to get unlimited access to exclusive videos, breaking news, sweepstakes, and more! What really brought this man 400 miles from his comfortable Midwestern home, and why did he feel the need to end it all so abruptly with a bullet to the brain? I know it sounds like a dream to some of you, and I thought it might be too. The excursion has been arranged by American Hauntings, a 25-year-old company that specializes in trips to some of the countrys spookiest places. Even more privacy came in the summer months when Julie and the kids would go to visit Herbs mother in northern Indiana. Three years ago, the owners agreed to open their home for regular visits from the haunted-house travel company. However, that following week, at the time and place they agreed to meet, Smart never showed, and for a while, he remained [00:13:00] a ghost. But its also unlikely that many buyers in the area wont already be aware of the sinister reputation of Fox Hollow Farmhence the steep discount. The estate has appeared on ghost hunting shows such as Paranormal Witness in 2012 and Ghost Adventures in 2014, not to mention being the focus of a feature-length 2011 documentary film The Haunting of Fox Hollow Farm, directed by Dan T. Hall. Herb Baumeister: I said to my son, Theyre going to get that raccoon with the spray gun, and sure enough, they just sprayed right over its face and neck. Juliana S Saiter, 74 - Indianapolis, IN - Has Court or Arrest Records In the 80s, Herb and Julie opened up two thrift stores and made enough money to buy their dream home. Fox Hollow Farm was a sprawling 18-acre estate complete with a 5 bedroom home and indoor pool. From the outside, it looked as if the Baumeisters had achieved the perfect life. Juliane Bauermeister - Reporterin - Mediengruppe RTL They just decided to take some stuff out of old files, dust it off and say we solved this, Ted Fleischaker, the publisher of a newspaper serving the Indianapolis gay community, told the Associated Press. WebHerb Baumeister: the Hoosier serial killer youve probably never heard of. We know plenty about the case, but its also clear that some of the dirtiest details went to the grave along with Herb Baumeister. After finding the scattered remains of at least four separate victims, including bones, bone fragments, and teeth. She gave the police [00:10:30] permission for a full search of the property while Herb was away. The stack of videotapes in the backseat was now nowhere to be found, and next to him was a rambling three page handwritten letter on [00:05:00] yellow note paper stating that his marriage was failing, his business was failing, and he was sorry for messing up the park. They separated, and the thrift stores started to flounder. The sheriffs office has no suspects in the deaths of the seven whose bones were found here. Herb had always been a hard worker and he started a successful thrift store chain and moved his family into a $1 million, 11,000 square foot, 18-acre estate in Westfield, Indiana they called Fox Hollow Farm. She simply believed he was engaging in extramarital affairs. Despite the neighbor's claims, police cleared Darcie of any crimes. Create your free profile and get access to exclusive content. But the same man who went out of his way to make his wife smilewas also arguably the most prolific serial killer in the United States. The informant felt that Smarts deviant behavior in the pool that evening might explain what happened to his missing friend Roger Goodlet. WebJulie began taking the children away for months at a time, leaving Herb alone at Fox Hollow. 18 others named Julie During the time that the I-70 killings were committed, Herb and Julie Baumeister had been married for a little over 10 years. Of her late husbands alleged killings, Julie told People, Our biggest question now is how he could have loved us and done this. Its killing me. He also had an unusual fascination with urine. At the same time, Herb had disappeared. According to IndyStar archives, Baumeister, 49, was the owner of Sav-A-Lot thrift stores. The year was 1991 Herb. The man noted that Smart was driving a gray Buick with [00:10:00] Ohio license plates. They. After Smart revived claiming a sexual rush like no other, it was the informants turn. Smart then excused himself, and when he returned, he was a lot more talkative than before. Earning the couple a small fortune in the first year alone. The people I surround myself with, my friends and family dont really know much about this side of me. Herbert Richard Baumeister was born on April 7th, 1947 in Indianapolis, Indiana. Hes amiable, and even laughs a bit. Julie then remembered her son bringing home a skullhe had found while playing on their property. According to the informant, he visit one of Indys gay nightclubs, and he saw another man who was overly interested in a missing persons poster that had been tacked on the clubs wall. On Aug. 25, about two dozen avid ghost hunters are signed up for a visit to Fox Hollow Farm, in Carmel, Ind., about 20 miles from Indianapolis. The two began dating, much to the chagrin of the girl's parents, who felt Jerrywas too old for their daughter. LexisNexis, 2015. Hundreds of human bones were found. Nothing criminal, [00:01:00] but just like him, there are parts of my life Id like to keep separate including my sleep issues and my vivid, realistic nightmares. Its just completely opposite [00:13:00] of the way its supposed to be, its completely flip flopped, and I dont know how to fix this, but Ive got to pretty soon. It wasnt until one man was shaken enough by a violent sexual encounter with a wealthy man named Brian Smart that he came forward to police. Though Paula has never made an official statement, her daughter Kerri Rawson came forward in 2014 and contended the family never knew Dennis was responsible for the murders. Sign up for The Lineup's newsletter, and get our scariest tales sent straight to your inbox. [00:22:30] It was a way to be a voyeur into a world that few rarely see. Tony believed that Brian Smart may have been responsible for the disappearance of one of his friends, and when he saw the man again at an Indianapolis bar, Tony wrote down his license plate number and went to the police. She and her children moved into Gacys now-infamous home on Summerdale Avenue in Chicago, IL. Serial Killer Used His Garden As A Crematorium Herb Baumeister: This was just Pretty sure a chalk line drawn [00:27:30] around his career by state officials. Herb Baumeister interview with WISH-TV - YouTube They were wrong. In an exclusive interview with E! Now the homeowner in todays case just happens to be sexualizing a group of life-sized dolls. On June 24, 1996, while Herb was out of town, Julie allowed the police to search Fox Hollow Farm. She was initially shocked by the allegations that her husband was cruising gay nightclubs while she was away. St Paul, Minnesota, United States. Gay men were disappearing in the area, and they had usually last been seen in the citys gay bars and nightclubs. Other family members and associates include Herbert Saiter, Emily Saiter, Sandra Baumeister, Herbert Baumeister and Elizabeth Baumeister. If youre looking for modern examples those are easy to find too. By the end of the second search, this area alone had produced the remains of seven additional [00:18:30] victims. The couple maintained a faade of a happy marriage and profitable business for years. For his crime in Royal Oak, the judge gave Dotson a harsh sentence, a year and a half in prison. Chapter One Probably carried away by animals. She thought to herself. Ridgway eventually confessed to the crimes, however, stunning his wife who didn'tthink he could beresponsible for such heinous crimes. From Iheartradio and Tenderfoot TV, Monster presents INSOMNIAC. In 1987 in upstate New York, a convicted [00:21:00] killer was paroled early after he was deemed no longer dangerous to society. by insomniacpod | Jun 26, 2019 | Uncategorized | 0 comments. The pair married in 1971 and appeared to have a happy marriage. Julie Baumeister Wayfair: Wayfair Coupon - 20% Off. Founded in 2010, Thought Catalog is owned and operated by The Thought & Expression Company, Inc. For over a decade, we've been at the bleeding edge of media, pioneering an infrastructure for creatives to flourish both artistically and financially. Investigators believe that in addition to the bodies found on his property, Herb Baumeister could be responsible for an additional nine murders of men along I-70 in the 1980s. [00:06:30] He had a strange fascination with dead animals. Why Julie Chen Wants Kim Kardashian & Tom Brady to Have a In one incident, he was fired for repeatedly urinating on his supervisors desk, Fannie Weinstein and Melinda Wilson wrote in their book on the case, Where the Bodies are Buried.. Her Husband Accidentally Died, Then She Found The Bodies In HisTrunk, 37 Creepy Stories Of Serial Killers That Have Stuck With People Over TheYears, I Always Thought Something Was Off About My Basement, But I Had No Idea How Terrifying The TruthWas, 37 Gruesome Facts I Learned About Ted Bundy From The Stranger BesideMe, 41 Of The Creepiest Unsolved Mysteries Of AllTime, Im Ready To Tell The Truth About My Interviews With Graham Welsh, The Man Found Innocent After 20 Years On DeathRow. Its strange [00:02:00] and frightening when you envision yourself carrying out some of the most vile crimes you can possibly imagine. I feel like Im aging a lot faster than I ever have before. Not the kind of nightmares that a child might have, but the kind that can only come from the mind of a grown adult that seen a little too much real life horror, read a little too much of the macabre, and someone whos experienced a lot of recent pain and loss. There were not witnesses, and there just wasnt enough usable evidence left behind. This led authorities to conclude that Herb Baumeister had also been the so-called I-70 Strangler, bringing his total body count up to around 20 and making him one of the most prolific serial killers in Indiana history. The last few summers, shed taken the kids to the familys lakeside condo 100 miles away, leaving Herb to focus on business back in Westfield alone. Herbs entire life seemed to be in a downward spiral and things were only getting worse. WebHerb Baumeister interview with WISH-TV Joe Melillo 251 subscribers Subscribe 103K views 6 years ago Raccoon hit and a well dressed and personable Herb Baumeister Laying in bed at night with your eyes wide open and then at your desk at the office with your eyes closed and you cant keep them open. I want to be very careful when approaching this topic and I want to be very clear when I say that Julie Baumeister is not responsible in any way for the actions of her husband. Hoff married Gacy in 1972, and they were together for only four years. Though his wife wasunaware herhusband wasa killer, Lynch did know about his other crimes due to his arrests and short stints injail. So how much did Julie Baumeister know and when did she know it? They lived in Wichita, KS, and had two children together, a boy and a girl. The victims, all of whom hailed from Indianapolis, were found strangled to death, their nude or partially-nude bodies dumped into shallow streams along the I-70 corridor. Knock 30% off your purchase of select Naturvet products with Vitacost Coupon Code. Herbs family had noted anti-social behavior in Herb since he was a child. Related: 5 Haunted Horror Houses That Will Send Shivers Down Your Spine. The Baumeister family was ready to move into their new dream home. While police believe Dietz remainedin the dark about her husbands 10 murders, which took place from 1974 to 1991, some think she may have turned a blind eye to his crimes. WebOP claimed that Julie Baumeister never allowed her kids friends into the house and one time the OP went inside to use the bathroom unannounced and the house was a hoarders paradise full of old furniture, clothes, decor and, creepily, multiple mannequins were posed among the clutter throughout the house. If that was all, it would be chilling enough, but that wasnt the end of the nightmare. Robert denied having an affair and said he liked using the motels hot tub after a long day of work. They found the bodies of 11 men, and identified eight of them. Thepolice arrested Robinsonin 2000 after two women reported him for assault and robbery. The once-successful Sav-A-Lot stores were nearing bankruptcy, and the couple was contemplating divorce. It affects my work. The victims were: By the time an arrest warrant was issued for Herb Baumeister, he had disappeared. Nothing seems to be out of the ordinary. However, since there was really no cause for alarm, [00:04:30] the two parted ways. Rileys body was later found in a stream near I-70. At the time, the investigators couldnt piece it all together. He grew up in a comfortable home and seemed to have had a normal childhood. My own private life is a little different. Do you remember that stack of videotapes the Canadian troopers saw in Herbs backseat the day before he killed himself? Mawson cut off all contact with her husband after his confessionand went through a dark period in her life. In the late 1960s, Baumeister enrolled in college, but dropped out before graduation. Sie war Vierte bei den Commonwealth Games 1986 und Sechste bei den Olympischen Spielen Herb stayed home during the week to keep an eye on the family business, visiting his wife and children on the weekends. Gacy had a hot temper, and the two often argued. They had three children together, even though Julie would later confess that they had consummated their marriage only six times in 25 years of marriage. But the one point that stands out among the rest, the one bit of information, its the hardest for most people to swallow, is that Julie ignored it when her son handed her a human skull and then led her to a full skeleton half buried in her yard. How much did Julie know and when? But thats exactly what Julie did. Not only did he pee on his teachers desk and discuss drinking urine, but when he peed on the letter to the governor of Indiana, well, that answered the question about who had peed on Herbs [00:07:00] managers desk just a month prior. Scott Benjamin: [00:00:30] Herb Baumeister lived a double life as the I70 strangler. According to People, Mawson is still coming to terms with the fact that her ex-husband is one of historys most prolific serial killers: He made me smile every day. Sometimes [00:04:00] they were gone for weeks at a time, leaving Herb at home alone to watch over the Save-A-Lot stores. Perfect life. They say he stands at the window in the living room, Rob Graves said. He would push the mower and I would trim the bushes. Yet, if the police are correct and Herb Baumeister is also the I-70 Strangler, he had a sinister and deadly secret life that he was hiding from his family, stretching back over a decade. Right from the beginning, Julie has claimed that the Herb Baumeister, we know the serial killer is not the same Herb Baumeister that she was married to. Someone like Herb Baumeister. Newscaster: Herb [00:27:00] Baumeister of Carmel saw it all. Theyre less known crimes, but that doesnt make them any less gruesome. [00:01:30] Unfortunately, I believe thats been tarnished for the same reason as well. By The authorities were still sniffing around him and Julie, [00:10:00] just waiting for the chance to search the property. 12 Women Who Were Married To Notorious Serial Killers - Ranker When questioned by police, Baumeister's wife Juliana told investigators that one of their kids found a human skull on the farm in December 1994. Then Her Son Found A Human Skull. In 1994, Julie Baumeister had been having problems in her marriage. She thought her husband, Herb Baumeister, was acting off though people had been saying that about Herb since he was a teen telling lewd jokes and playing with dead animals. He even once urinated on a teachers desk. Of course, thats dangerous for the killer. There Is No Reason To Read This Book - amazon.com Secretly, Herbs father had him take psychological tests, tests that indicated Herb was a schizophrenic and that he had multiple personality disorder. But thats likely because he was a repeat offender with many prior convictions, and the judge reasoned that Dotsons [00:16:00] behavior, even though he never really harmed another human, struck fear in the community. And soon after when the authorities were knocking on her door and asking to search the property, she refused because Herb told her another lie. Along with the skeletal remains, investigators unearthed handcuffs, no doubt used on the victims, and several cans of Miller Genuine Draft, Herbs favorite drink. WebGetting a recent picture of Julie Baumeister should have been easy, as she has not shied away from publicity and has appeared on "Oprah". The Graveses and their sons work as housekeepers, groundskeepers, and do-it-yourselfers to keep the sprawling property in top shape. Julie said she didnt think twice about the discovery. Dame Julie Walters reveals shock of bowel Insomnia for me [00:11:30] and many others means my mind is active when I really rather it wasnt. WebWe know that Juliana is single at this point. Julie Baumeister - Communications & Events Coordinator - LinkedIn Julia agreed with the decision saying Herb was tired, and he needed help. I even go so far as to avoid eye contact with anyone [00:03:00] certain that Im guilty of something horrible, and they can somehow read it in my sleep deprived, blood shot eyes. Herb was a domineering business partner, which Julie didnt like but tolerated. Baumeister Credits: [00:21:30] Insomniac is a production of iHeart Radio and Tenderfoot TV written and hosted by Scott Benjamin and produced by Miranda Hawkins, Alex Williams, Matt Frederick and Josh Thane. He may have asked the wrong neighbors. The good news is that I do see a way out. But there was no severe punishment. Trying to appear a little more normal than the way he was perceived by everyone around him. Because when Julie was away, Herb could be his true self. In 2009, Fox Hollow Farm was bought by a couple with the perhaps grimly ironic last name Graves. AfterRader confessed to the murders, Dietz filed for an emergency divorce, which the court granted in July 2005. Those that have this condition are sexualizing a doll. He noticed that the interior was crowded [00:10:30] with dust covered furniture and boxes as they made their way through the house. But thats what happens when I close my eyes at night. Want more serial killer stories? In 1993, Indianapolis police began investigating the disappearances of several gay men. As the night wore on, Smart became emboldened and invited his new friend for a late night swim at the house he said he was temporarily living in. Troubles continued in college and in the working world. She ultimately filedfor divorce. Scour the web for the tale of the I-70 Strangler, and the mannequins are always a footnote. According to Julie, Herb was a devoted and even doting father, helping his kids with everything from schoolwork to making their peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwiches. Paula Dietz married Dennis Rader on May 22, 1971. Julie didnt go to the police. Perhaps aware of his imminent arrest, he had fled to Canada, where his body was found on July 3, lying just outside his car in Pinery Provincial Park. Somewhere with a lot of property and privacy [00:21:30] where Herb could conduct a different kind of business. The particularly adventuresome can even take haunted tours of the property hosted by American Hauntings Ghost Tours. In 1996, Julie permitted police onto her property. Unlike most characters in true crime stories, Herb and Julie Baumeister lived a seemingly idyllic life. This also left him completely free to cruise the Indianapolis gay nightclubs in the evenings looking for sex partners and potential victims. He had shot himself and left a three-page suicide note, but he did not mention the murders he was believed to have committed. Hoff told The New York Times that when she asked Gacy about the wallets, he became furious. Six months after his marriage to Julie, Herbs father had him committed to a psychiatric hospital, where he spent nearly two months. She Thought Something Was Off About Her Husband. My thoughts, I cant seem to turn everything off and be able to just get some rest. Its a very strange interview. Yeah. Its embarrassing and I dont want it to happen anymore. In this episode, Michael Drane, UPC's resident psychotherapist dives into the Psychology of Erotophonophilia & Auto-Erotic Asphixiation. Julie said she felt drawn to Herb because of his good looks and Herbs double life held a lot of secrets. Credits: Insomniac is a production of iHeartRadio and TenderfootTV. In this episode, Michael Drane, UPC's resident psychotherapist dives into the Psychology of Erotophonophilia & Auto-Erotic Asphixiation. When Julie asked Herb Baumeister, her husband of 23 years, about the bones, he told her they were from his anesthesiologist fathers medical school skeleton. I could be wrong, but I feel that if I use this series as a way to talk through this, a way to work out some of these demons, I might be able to get to the other side, and I might end up in a better place. They didnt have evidence enough for a search warrant. Fox Hollow Farm, which the couple had once seen as a utopia where their children could rollerblade without having to worry about cars coming around the corner, was now a grisly crime scene. He broke a lot of my furniture.. Im just thankful that my own secret isnt going to lead to a complete collapse of my life. Link your TV provider to stream full episodes and live TV. He would never hurt anyone.. Julie also refused the search believing, as her husband had told her, the request was the result of a false accusation of theft. The couple wed within a few months,had two children, and eventuallymoved to Portland, OR, where Jerrybegan his serial killing spree. By 1965, Herb had graduated high school and was accepted into Indiana University. They recently sold eight acres of the property to Noah Herron, owner of the Urban Vines Winery & Brewery, who intends to break the acreage up and sell off three lots, while also building a home for his family. On further inspection, the pair found a pile of bones - if reassembled it would make a fully formed human skeleton. Youll undoubtedly hear about Herb Baumeisters several murders, or the boys he cultivated then lured home. But its not just the endless pages of detailed, horrific crimes that keeps me awake at night. Buildings where gruesome crimes have occurred, known as psychologically affected real estate, are often razed.