Now Rome is evaluating Medjugorie. Perhaps Bishop Lennon had something like the above in mind when he condemned S-Ks claims? [I marvel at the protection of the (created and uncreated) Immaculate Conception!]. The whole place is deceptive. The growth of this appiration site is truly a miracle in this day and age. This is a sin. The human heart is a metaphor for the core of ones being being open to God. Remember, BISHOPS CONDEMNED Joan of Arc. To argue against common sense is ridiculous. Lest this get buried below, here is my response to 3221 re the condemnation of the Bayside events. Many are not to be trusted. I cant tell you how creepy it was and continues to be anytime I receive one of those so-called messages forwarded to me by my well-meaning, but totally deluded, friends. Hope that helps. Let me begin by quoting St. Thomas of Aquinas from the Summa: Obedience is a part of justice, one of the four cardinal virtues, which, are, in turn, subordinate to the theological virtues of Faith, Hope and, Charity. Mother Teresa replied that, if their kneeling was a problem, they would leave the diocese. Hour of Reparation to the Shoulder Wound - Holy Love Ministry Messages If the bishop were to state that no credibility can be given to HLM messages, he would, in effect, be disavowing the teachings of the Catholic Faith, as the messages of HLM ARE those deep and ancient truths of Catholicism. Who is to be obedient in this case? Defense of Holy Love Ministries is defense of the Catholic Faith. As with David in Psalm 32, God convicts us so that we can experience forgiveness ( Psalm 32:3-5 ). If what is taught by an appointed servant of God (bishop, priest, or Pope) is contrary to Catholic teaching, they are not to be obeyed, but even publicly rebuked. Lets be specific Harry. I would love to, Ive been going thru a dry spell and I think this could be the very thing I need right now, I believe I have this book I just need to find it. Incidentally, I keep hearing about such bad doctrine from those who mock HLM. Will you gain fruit from disobedience to the bishop? Just knowing or reading these Commandments is not enough - you must internalize them and all they dictate in their simplicity. She asks for her loyal sons and daughters to pray the Rosary so that the sufferings of those in purgatory may be mitigated and that they may speedily be brought to Heaven. The messages also portray the Father as saying that He (the Father) is the Holy Spirit: "I am that True Holy Spirit" (God The Father, March 5, 2010). Anyone born after 1965 has been raised on the pablum of a distorted humanistic gospel the bishops have been spreading for 40 years or more..They intend to finish the job. A condemnation would be spelled out as a condemnation. Especially when his expert remains unnamed and he will not speak about the specifics of his serious concerns? I am asking about his stands on all things Catholic. I have been to the Holy Love site and love it and feel peace there. I just read yesterday about HLMs description of the remnant.. But it is NOT coming from God. Be cautious of what you share about others, knowing that love covers a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8), which means it doesn't highlight or gossip about the failings of others. She asked this at Fatima. Ha! Unless Pope Benedict XVI overrules Bishop Lennon on the matter of Holy Love, we are bound to obedience. Lennon condemned the claimsCONSTAT DE NON SUPERNATURALITATEwith the backing of the Holy See. As a journalist, I care about accuracy. If he is silent on the issues mentioned above this would explain his aversion to HLM which teaches the Catholic Faith in its traditional wholeness. You have the document that proves condemnation. Look at the fruits of the bishops catechesis for the last 40 years. Stop making premature judgments about HLM. @denis: Well yes, of course Ive heard of Joan of Arc. i was a po in nyc many yrs ago. In others words, follow their teaching, dont emulate their actions. They know what the Faith is, but soon God will bring them to Heaven. The fullness of Truth is found within the Catholic Church, which Jesus founded upon the rock of Peter upon it the gates of hell will never prevail. Perhaps his use of the phrase admonish the faithful to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purposes suggests something otherwise to you? Bayside IS condemned and WITH the backing of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. what might be going on at all these apparition sites is being done as Amos the the prophet stated in ch 3 lines 7&8.. read read read. Today, I have come to ask your total detachment from the opinions of others. Secondly, priests are NOT forbidden to go to Holy Love. Our prayers, in Holy Love and united, have changed the course of this nation and eventually the world, which was heading towards a damnation. Protect me from any evil plan Satan may have for me today. This is what The Wanderer said in response to my request for the citation: Thanks for your question, but The Wanderer is not indexed and we have no recollection of such a story, and so we cannot verify it for you.. (Titus1:10) as they no longer speak on behalf of teh Church but become representatives of their own novelty. Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits. Its nothing more than one mans account of his own personal private revelations from Jesus. I thank God for Holy Love!!! It can get the faithful off track. The bishop has an obligation to pastor his people and protect and nourish their faith. HLM is there for all those whose Faith has been thwarted, perverted and destroyed by the very poor catechesis the bishops of this country have perpetrated fore over 40 years. (1) Our Lady does not need our prayers. None, 3221, none at all. You are very misinformed if you think that one needs to be under the local ordinary to share the Truth of God. 9/3/93 from Our Lady: My little messenger, what I most wish to convey to you is how much Jesus It made me feel special, especially because I was at such an impressionable age. If there were something erroneous in the doctrine taught at HLM, Bishop Lennon would have stated it. I believe Fr. His authority to make a ruling is not in dispute, but the accuracy of his judgement is. Seven Hills, Oh. Finally, the Church has spoken authoritatively on Holy Love Ministries and its 83-acre site of Maranatha Spring and Shrine in Ohio. This is the personal judgement of one bishop,and so he warns (read gently urges. And I am not speaking of HLM being accepted by bishops. Lennon has definitively declared Sweeney-Kyles claims to be not from God. Division comes from Satan himself. At Holy Love Ministries, it is reported that Jesus sometimes comes with Mary during her apparitions. If the messages are true than all the above messages you have quoted are totally logical. we have known about holy love since the 80s and we believe in those apparitions. If you are a fruit of Holy Love and are now slamming the Popes, I rest my point. Are You Living in Condemnation? 4 Warning Signs That Something's Just All would be wise to remember those words. I suspect they may be having trouble verifying it as well, hence the delay. But until then, we just have to be patient. That is what the local bishop issued in the case of Holy Love. (meaning every wrong that has been done to you). Have a nice day,Harr. Advertise on Catholic Exchange
I do not know where you are getting your theological understandings from, LizEst, but they are all mixed up. What would the devil get out of the deal? Some just cannot get their facts straight! Did they suffer from mental illness and imagine it all? The so-called Jesus of these so-called apparitions claims to have a six-chambered heart, despite the fact that there are only four chambers in the human heart. Earlier names associated with this group have been the "Our Lady Protectress of the Faith Movement," "Project Mercy," and "Mary's House of Prayer." They continue to seek You pointed out in your article, Patti, that Holy Love Ministries seems Catholic because the site has statues, rosaries, and Catholic prayers. Explode if someone contradicts you.? This in an age when the authentic doctrine of the Catholic Church is slowly dying out, when two generations of Catholics have been deprived of the true doctrine and knowledge that is the Revelation of the Word of God, our Savior Jesus Christ. I found all my references on the orhtodox website, Catholic Apologetics, which can be googled on the internet. St. Padre Pio was a priest. Can. These Messages are like food for the soul. It is a definitive judgement that HLM is a false apparition. To Tom D: I too went to Conyers, GA as well as Kettle River and stopped by Necadah, WI once when I noticed a large billboard advertising a Marion Shrine. He was also my father, Thomas T.s, spiritual director. It makes it seems that the so-called messages are authentic. We dont redeem ourselves. I just needed to love my neighbor to be saved no matter concern for personal sin, let your (unformed) conscience be your guide, do what feels right Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat the apple, dont eat the apple, even if just an apple. Then, all their gains are lost. Our will doesnt determine what flows from the BVM. Nor is the Vatican admonishing pilgrims fror disobeying their bishop. She replied I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, but I cannot deny my voices. Was she disobedient? Our free will is our liberty to choose or not choose God. Then, it becomes a matter of obeying Catholic authority or thinking you know better. When others disapprove of your participation here, remember Heaven approves.You increase in holiness when your relationship with Me is such that you seek only to please Me.. Holy Love Ministry - Heavenly Messages In 90 Languages - Translation . Thanks Kevin. Oh my. Thats all irrelevant to this topic. That is exactly what it is. Many people have brought forth personal testimony and facts against HL, but still, followers persist. He was cited for canon law violations so egregious that he was severely rebuked by Rome. "This virtue, more than all the others, depends on Holy Love and Holy Humility. It is outside of the Churchs teaching and practice and nothing more. There are none. The Bishops role is to guide his sheep ~ us. I have been at HOLY LOVE, about 18 times since 2009 and its another true gift from God. Since he cannot FORBID Catholics from going there, he ADMONISHES them not to go. IN TH sUMMA. There are priests, bishops even Cardinals including nuns who promote abortion. First, I would like to thank you for the sincere and humble tone of your article. Do you tink that pleased God? Elizabeth thinks HLM is a Church, thereby giving evidence of her complete ignorance of the interior life of grace. It is all strictly the teaching of the Catholic Faith. You must digest them for any positive effect. Frankly, the bishops have failed miserably in leading the souls of this country to our beautiful God. I appreciate that, Elizabeth, and I ask God to bless you. A meeting with Holy Love representatives made it clear that the ministry will not subject themselves to the Catholic Church. He had no choice. Joan of Arc was condemned by bishops who told her to renounce her visions. The Book Club at Roman Catholic Spiritual Direction: (http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/2012/12/04/csd-book-club-announcing-our-next-book-3/comment-page-1#comment-12621) will begin reading that very book this coming week. Even before the bishops pronouncement, there were red flags for me. He knew better than to say there is nothing credible (worthy of belief) there. . Souls are lost because we do not pray for them, we do not offer ourselves in union with Jesus so that we can through our union with Jesus win the grace these souls need to turn to God. I admire your fortitude! The remnant are those who adhere to the Holy Eucharist, adoration, the Magisterium, the rosary. Holy Church HAS spoken. Will this make you feel okay about it.? if u believe whats going on in the middle east and especially the holy land is all about democracy, then i believe we are operating under and are in the age of THE OPERATION OF ERROR of the end of the age. The apparitions at LaSaletteapproved by the Churchcontain a prophecy by Mary that the anti-Christ will sit on the throne of St. Peter in Romelook it up if you do not believe me. Its indicative of the state of todays Church, todays Catholics, that so many are taken in by this drivel. The topic is disobedience to the Bishop. Are you saying that when the Bishop says, Dont go there, he is acting outside his sphere of authority? So, be cautious and pray to the Holy Spirit to give you discernment. All this is holy in nature but is not proof of authenticity of purported apparitions. The fact that Bishop Lennon wont provide me or others any concrete evidence of why he has made this decision makes me very skeptical of his decision. It matches all the traditional criteria for condemnation. For that, I am very grateful. Yes, it is, replies Thomas of Aquinas together with every. Reading te comments of those who responded to your article gives evidence of the very poor understanding of the mystical theology of the Catholic Faith, as well as an unbalanced and distorted comprehension of what the virtue of obedience is, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church. Certainly not. I know. 3221 You are absolutely wrong. Where Charity abidith there is Love let our Love for one another be as strong as our love of self! If you feel so inclined to take his advisement, go ahead. "Consider how Divine Love and Holy Love made Their Wills one with the Eternal Father. Look it up in the dictionary. Doctrinal fidelity as a mark of authenticity is sometimes an obvious sign, sometimes not so obvious. We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. How does one fight with that kind of delusion? If you would actually read the messages your opinions would be more informed. Or, disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. Yet, if everyone had awaited an official pronouncement from the Church, the 60,000 people that witnessed the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, Portugal would have stayed home that day. We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides. St. Church doctrine and Church teaching is solid. I ask God to bless you and all involved in the conversations about your article. But that does not prove an authentic apparition. I do not think in those terms, and so my use of the word was totally innocent.. God bless you all, and be careful !!! spiritual roadmap for union with the divine will of God. It is not a command to obedience. If the place is truly Catholic then the truth will out, as it has for every genuine apparition in Church history. It is the biggest of red flags when a visionary is disobedient to the disciplinary actions of the Church. So the issue is obedience to the Bishop. (4) I will obey bishops or priests even when they disobey God by forsaking the, (5) Whoever protests against anything a Church prelate does or says is disloyal. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Whats wrong with your internal compass? No one is asking you to accept and believe in HLM. Bishop Lennon has no right to prevent those who want to learn their Faith from attending Holy Love. Then, when Gods authority on earth the Church speaks against the fraud, a number of otherwise good Catholics get caught in the trap. Can you say that of many bishops now in this country? The decree uses the word warning becasue that it what it isa warning not a formal command to obey. Youre adhering to a false church of Maureen Sweeneys (or the devils) own making. No one is bound by obedience to follow a bishops advisement. To be condemned CANONICALLY is an official act and there are no grounds for it so the bishopas much as he would like to, I am surecannot do so. You are missing the forest for the trees. A trip to the confessional is not a bad thing either. They had them at a couple of their locations.). It would be considered as sacred ground. Read all about it in The Rite The Making of a Modern Exorcist by Matt Baglio. As to the annulment, it is none of our business whether or not she got a declaration of nullity, a declaration of invalidity or whatever. I think that you are referring to when I quoted St. Catherine of Sienas Dialogues wherein God the Father tells her to keep her spiritual life between Him and growing in self knowledge. Did she have one?That is the only way, plus obedience to the Church . For Catholics, this should be the end of the story. You may be sinning against the Holy Spirit. St.Paul tells us, I make up in my body what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ. We are called through our sufferings UNITED TO JESUS- to help Him redeem the world. But there is a dark side to acting on messages that Church authority warns against. The common good of the faithful is to nurture the full knowledge of the true Faith. Here are just a few of the more glaring examples, along with the dates they were stated so you can read them in full. Or an unfaithful Bishop? (And thats presuming any exist. We learn (in Church history) that St. Athanasius disobeyed Pope Liberius, St. Godefrey of Amiens and St. Hughes of Grenoble disobeyed Pope Pascal 11. The answer to this problem for faithful Catholics is to obey their Bishop, stop going to Holy Love Ministries, and pray. While the genuine theologian attempts to develop and complement and unfold biblical and ecclesial teaching, he does not reject it. Using the language that he did has nothing to do with modern times; it has to do with what is canonical limitations are. whole thing and so can anyone else who wishes to read it: http://www.ewtn.com/Library/NEWAGE/MUGABAY.TXT. On 11 November 2009, Bishop Richard Lennon published a Letter to the clergy and laity of his Diocese, introducing a Decree, which declares that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian Faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland. ..Jesus would embrace this Mission and would never discourage people from coming here to pray. Youre actually using a theology professor at Notre Dame as an endorsement of an apparition site that has been condemned by a Bishop of the Catholic Church? He is a very sick man. Given the distortions, the heresies, and the banal humanistic claptrap that passes for Catholic theology in so much of Catholic catechesis today, the full beauty of Catholic Truth in evidence at Holy Love Ministries stands out in bold relief. GODs revelations strengthen humility, obedience, patience and conformity to His Holy Will. It is a warning and it contains no forbidding of persons to go to HLM. I just read the decree and it is not a canonically official condemnation as you so want to think. From The Imitation of Christ (Book 3, Pg 160): Thanks for that Liz. Dis you read yet my comments a little bit above from this entry regarding your examples of heresy at HLM? Apparently, the final authority of the Catholic Church agrees with Lennons position. I prayed that I believe and am not looking for a miracle but help those who dont believe. If he could, I am sure he would. I suffer for what comes to you. One bishop has warned against HLM. 2. Stay with the issue. Our Lady is asking us to HELP HER through our prayers. Medjugorie is now being examined by the Vatican, well after the local bishop (Bishop Zanic) stated that there was nothing supernatural occuring. I can use all the prayers I can get. The graces are always here despite controversies fanned by falsehoods. In the Summa, Aquinas explains that If the Faith is endangered a subject ought to rebuke his prelateeven publicly. Remember those who walked away from Christ because He told them,; Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of God, you have no life in you. this was a hard saying for them. Heres the entries for synonyms for admonish: berate, censure, rebuke, chide, reprimand, reprove, scold. Did it automatically disappear? Any Catholic who gives their primary attention to alleged private revelation at the expense of Sacred Scripture, the teaching of the Church (especially the Catechism), sacramental practice, prayer and fidelity to Church authority is off course., He warned, The running after spiritual phenomena, such as alleged revelations, is condemned by St. John of the Cross as spiritual avarice. To think that messages are being sent by Him or the Blessed Mother, inspires them with the notion that they can get even closer by taking the messages to heart, visiting the shrines and getting near the visionaries. You also are so obsessed with Church law that you are missing what the Church is suffering.. Again, I learned this from Aquinas, The Church is where the true Faith is. Its irrelevant to this topic the state of the Church these days. Way of the Cross Meditations - Holy Love Ministry Messages by Topic Thats all Im going to say, as I watch this conversation unfold with disbelief. Nevertheless, in my mind she has gone astray and it will get worse. What was that you said earlier about leaving ones interior life to themselves and God, 3221? Didnt Jesus also loved the gentiles? I will pray for you too, Elizabeth, as well as for all those who doggedly insist on mocking and maligning HLM.. God bless you all and may you have a joyous and grace-filled Advent and wondrous Christmas. Unfortunately, those have cultish devotion to things like HLM tend to brook no logic. Thirdly, there are many bishops who not only approve, but are actually involved, in the promulgation of HLM. Finally, the Church has spoken authoritatively on Holy Love Ministries and its 83-acre site of Maranatha Spring and Shrine in Ohio. He cannot act in us unless we give Him our free will choice to do so. Before I wrote my original article on Holy Love, I had called and talked with someone from the ministry. Patti Maguire Armstrong is a TV talk show host ofLadies of Another Viewand an award-winning author andmagazines and newspaper journalist. Then, all their gains are lost. My point in bringing this up is that the corruption within the body of bishops is at an all time high. My reaction to that would of course be disagreement for what should be the obvious reason that a statement such as that is completely contradictory to Church teaching through the millenia, and can be looked up easily by opening ones Catechism, or childs Catechism, for that matter.