According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. Therefore, to make their marriage work, they started a family, believing that it would make everything okay. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? You didnt know that?? She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. The absence of the gun or gun powder residues on Diane is fact. Late one May night in 1983, Diane Downs sped into an emergency room dropoff in Springfield, Ore., with a horrifying story to tell. What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. In an earlier comment you stated that Diane had met all of the requirements for parole. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. Everything matters in a trial and investigation. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. Kenyans Compare Rachel Ruto, Margaret Kenyatta's Looks in Maasai Outfits, Kim Kardashian Looking for Love Again, Wants to Date Someone Who Isn't Famous, Kind Officers Drop Protesters in Nairobi CBD after Being Released from Central Police Station, Oburu Oginga Hints at Raila Odinga Vying for Presidency in 2027: "He's Not Retired", Naftali Kinuthia Says He Regrets Killing Lover Ivy Wangeci Using Axe: "Too Angry to Think". Litigating at the Supreme Court in . why didn't steve downs get custody. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. I have no dog in this race. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? Click here to read the complaint. This was very stressful. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. Simply because I researched them. May be the guy who says he did it. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. It is not my point. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. I had never heard of this case before I read her book (Im not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. It isnt there all the time. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. How asinine. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. Everything was in the bag and ready for trial. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. Pay attention: Become TUKO.co.ke ambassador get a branded T-shirt, hoodie or water bottle at our TUKO Shop! How.. they attacked him. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. I watched the highlights of her hearing. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane pulled over her car by the side of the road in Springfield, Oregon and shot her children multiple times with a 22-calibre pistol. I did not shoot my children.. She claimed she . This happened in 1983, not 1893. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. That poor girl. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. Or can have an accomplice. I am pointing them out. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. Did Danny Downs, Steve Downs' son, remain paralyzed? She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. This is a conflict of interest. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. I do not declare her innocent. Not giving you free reign here. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. They should have left her alone. As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. Diane Downs is no exception. Read More: Where Is Robert Knickerbocker Now? Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. I go fishing with a jurors husband. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. That says it all. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. I am interested in the truth. She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book Small Sacrifices and her theory of the crime, but in reality, the case of Diane Downs was no small sacrifice. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. Search within r/halo . A history of use of drugs, alcohol or even cigarettes can all be deemed as counts against a parent in court. 3) You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother What about the facts of the case? The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. She s. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. Diane had siblings and parents. I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. Brewer changed his mind. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. She did it. In fact, Diane and her lawyer wanted Christie to be able to heal before being questioned and to be accompanied and taped during the sessions. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? No way. We make them president. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. Tuko.co.ke featured an interesting article about the actor that has been in the industry for more than 13 years, starring in various great productions. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. Her character was also too much on the forefront. Mr. Her older two children have remained out of the public eye. Who was Burt Reynolds married to when he died and who inherited his estate? But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? It's not even known if he still resides in Arizona, where he used to live with Diane and their three kids. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. The child was adopted and was later named Rebecca. Also, their union was turbulent ever since the beginning as Diane was reportedly disappearing with her children for long periods. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. Critics said she deliberately became pregnant in order to garner sympathy from the jury. I think u need to read the facts. They rarely get a break. Become TUKO.co.ke ambassador get a branded T-shirt, hoodie or water bottle at our TUKO Shop! The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. 20 female celebrities with black hair to follow in 2023, 10 most famous QVC hosts who were fired or left the channel. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . Seems like former husband, Steve Downs, should've been the custodial parent after the divorce. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. And she went back to her parent's home in Arizona. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. Sad situation. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. Steve Downs was the husband of the infamous child killer, Diane Downs. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. The case was so one sided that it is about time some of us bring up the other side. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. And the fatal shooting of her children by her wife in 1983 didn't do much to put him in the limelight. Go to the hate groups for that. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings I dont buy it Shes guilty She did it I know she did it Her story makes no sense Shes evil Shes crazy. It had to be her.. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence.
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