Meriden, Connecticut's Stephen Minore is a self-professed "Oldsmobile nut" with a particular interest in the 1970 W-Machines. Oldsmobile built the W-31 as "somewhat of an insurance-beater," or a "junior supercar" with engine parts "hand-picked" for a "blueprinted" build, he says. Interior and a lot of the body tells me that. When Stephen J. Minore was in high school, his father Joe, a gas station operator, took him aside and gave him some advice. Kia in collaboration with Lucky Group has taken the initiative of establishing their manufacturing plant in, In general, you should expect to service your Porsche every 10,000 miles or once per year. "A lot of people will tell you back in the day this car, with the 3.91 stock rearend, would keep up with the W-30 at the track. Larger engines, high end wheels are a few of the modifications. As can be expected for a purpose-built machine, production numbers for the W-30 4-4-2s are quite low. Unless you can do every bit of the work on it yourself you will find yourself extremely deep underwater on this one trying to bring it back. Put a powerful V-8 engine in a two door sport coupe and you have the makings of a classic American muscle car. The seller advises that it has rust but the floors and trunk are very solid. That really helps when you're putting one of these cars back together. Suspension with the W-31 package upgraded the front and rear coil-spring suspension to the FE2 heavy duty components This included special springs and tubular hydraulic shocks. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Why no drivers side pics? I ended up buying that car, and that's what got the ball rolling with my research on the W-31s. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. ". Many would say that the brand picked up an image of being old and stuffy. See prices, photos, and find dealers near you. Stephen took his father's advice, and says now, "Drafting has provided me with a good living and a solid foundation to move ahead, get married, raise a family, and follow other pursuits." Reconnected! Minore was there to authenticate the car, which we recently featured in Rare Finds ("More Than Just a Car," Sept. '15). There is quite a bit of metalwork required from what you can see, wait until you begin to peel back the onion. Hopefully a prospective buyer can negotiate a somewhat lower price. Menu Search (866) 383-1416; Inventory. V-8 and its 4.057-inch cylinder bores. Unless you can do all of the work yourself, I wouldnt touch it. The front and rear benches are trimmed in black vinyl upholstery (940), and features include an AM/FM stereo equipped with Bluetooth connectivity, faux woodgrain trim, and shoulder belts for the front occupants. When you bid we pre-authorize your credit card for the service fee (this helps prevent fraud). The 1990s were not good times for Oldsmobile. These Cutlass models were equipped with the W-31 350 package. "I've been doing engine bay restorations for years," he says. Powered by Invision Community. Obviously, I look at the VIN on the block and transmission. I know where there are a number of excellent condition, unrestored 4-4-2 W-30 cars that I can refer to when the occasion arises, which is an excellent source to have. A special edition Hurst/Olds paced the Indy in 1972. Bidding will advance immediately to $. Cars are made in every corner of the globe, but when it comes to Porsche, home is definitely where the heart is. The W-31 package began with Oldsmobile's version of the 350-cu.in. Research indicates that there were about 1,300 W-31's assembled in 1970 across all body styles. Additional factory equipment includes a six-blade fan and a N10 dual-exhaust system. Of the above production, these models were equipped with the W-30 4-bbl engine. Up to that point I didn't know the difference, so I went and inspected the car. There is no photo of the drivers side of the car so perhaps there is more of a problem there. There are several other unique components to these engines such as 6 blade fan and fan clutch, larger harmonic balancer, matched heavy duty valve springs, Special Camshaft using 308/474 specs, and Performance Calibrated Q-Jet Carburetor. Visible through the windshield. Location: On plate attached to top left dash board. These are some of the most sought after muscle cars, by collectors and enthusiasts alike. BaT Auction Success Story: Powering Up with a P90D, Spring Carlisle Collector Car Flea Market & Corral. Performance & security by Cloudflare. He can be reached by email at casamperformance@sbcglobal.net. The Olds Cutlass accounted for 154,300 of them. If you want the purist 911 experience for the least amount of money, The GT3 RS, which joins the lineup this year, gets tuned up to, Price: 2022 Porsche 911 pricing starts at $101,200 and can reach. He is standing next to Stefano Bimbi's 1970 W-30 four-speed convertible, which was featured on the cover of the Nov. '15 issue. Supreme Holiday Hardtop Supreme Convertible Supreme 4-Door Holiday Hardtop Handling 1970 Averages The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 69.50 inches in width, The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 203.20 inches in length, and has a wheelbase of 112.00 inches. You don't find the right color or plated bolts in the right places anymore. It was pointed out that the largest market for Oldsmobiles was the population whose parents had in fact owned Oldsmobiles. It had ram air, sport mirrors, W-31 side stripes, and W-31 fender badges, but otherwise it looked just like a W-30. These models were equipped with the 442 package (only on Cutlass Supreme). Engine upgrades included the use of what's become known as the 308 camshaft, which was actually the unit's duration; the camshaft also touted .474-inch lift and an intake/exhaust valve overlap of 82 degrees. . Jimmy is a mile deep in knowledge and an inch wide in focus. Then in 1971, GM mandated a decree that said there had to be crush zones built into the fenders, so from 1971-1972, all fenders have built-in crush zones. Terms of Use, Your Privacy Choices Does not have the original carb. On the positive side, All that lightweighting paired with the zestiest powertrain results in a. The front passenger fender looks to be a repaint. I owned a 70 W-31 4-speed that was in much better condition than this car and sold it for about half of what the owner is asking for this car. I really dont know which is more effective at forced air although I heard the early ones were good at inhaling lots of dirt, gravel as well. Much appreciate the deep dive on the details, very helpful! These models were equipped with W-29 442 equipment. Steve Magnante states that only 1,029 W-31s were built on the F-85 & Cutlass platform. I am trying to determine if my 1970 350 is a w31 engine It has #6 heads with 1.62 exhaust valves and it has a large harmonic ballancer,can some one tell me how to know for sure joe_padavano Members 5.9k Location: Northern VA AACA #: 914844 Other Clubs: Oldsmobile Club of America Posted June 18, 2010 Always had a thing for W-31 cars. These models were equipped with the B-09 442 package. All W-31 engines were select fit, simply meaning that they were blueprinted from the factory. W-31 fender emblems. Your daily digest of everything happening on the site. These fenders had a flat ridge running all the way down to where they meet the hood. Research indicates that there were about 1,300 W-31s assembled in 1970 across all body styles. There is evidence of lower rust in the passenger-side rocker panel and perhaps over the passenger-side rear wheel but the included images are not too revealing. It is located in Cleveland, Ohio, and available here on craigslist for $22,500. There are dead giveaways, like the wrong [mounting] hardware has been used. Oldsmobile was a late developer into the muscle car scene and then moved swiftly to create an affordable mid-price intermediate muscle car. "I started looking at things like the Julian date codes on cowl tags, VIN numbers, broadcast sheets, and those kinds of things. The cost is going to be the same to restore and the 200k car owner knows its value is gone . The average annual repair cost is $652 which means it has average ownership costs. It was obviously a 350/325hp car with all the options. Price: The 2022 Porsche Cayenne has a starting price of $69,000. I thoroughly check the codes on a W-30 carburetor, distributor, cylinder heads, and starter, as there are a lot of re-stamps out there. Who knows what else is wrong if the car cant be driven. Obviously, that dramatically boosted the value of the car. The highlight, of course, is the numbers matching, factory . ' Red Hills Rods & Classics ' is proud to offer you this absolutely gorgeous, all numbers matching, rotisserie restored & heavily documented 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe W31, one of only (116) built!The recipient of a nut & bolt rotisserie restoration in 2015, the final result . It's kind of hard to explain, but it's easy to tell if one of these cars ever got into an accident. Post in the forum instead. 1964-67 V8 models engine code is stamped on the right cylinder head. The Antique Automobile Club of America defines the Muscle Car Era as between 1961 and 1974, a wider range than many muscle car enthusiasts recognize. The last set I found went for crazy money, $700 per pair! Admittedly this is a rare car, its documentation and understated nature is an attractive draw, but Im not sure about that price reasonable or a bit outsized? I would go to people I had sold parts to and ask, 'You own a 1970 4-4-2 don't you? This car was the most reliable car I have ever owned. There is a lot more than 49,000 miles on it. Im willing to bet the lower fender, rockers, and rear wheel lips are shot as well. Believe it or not, the. For North America, the 2022 Hyundai Tucson launches with a, A rare treat, this is the first time Porsche has published a feature like this. The "it" was a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe with the W-31 option. I had a 72 Cutlass Supreme, had a 4 barrel carbshe was slow on takeoff, but I had her pegged past 130 on speedometer. Checking for missed updates, BaT Auction Success Story: An NSX Rounds Out the Stable. The ad does not state which 4-Speed was offered, M-20 or M-21. After all the rust and grime are cleaned away, it's much harder to authenticate. Although it used the same block as the 455, GM management would not allow Oldsmobile to install an engine of more than 400 cubic inches in the mid size B body. The engine balancer is big and as rare as hen's teeth. Jimmy wanted to finally see the rare Oldsmobile in person, at which time he could "help educate Andy on what he had.". A shuffling of the Macan SUV lineup brings more potent firepower to the now-midrange S model. Bid for the chance to own a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Hardtop W-31 at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Rare Fully Restored 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Rallye 350 Coupe :: 1 Year Production, Only 3,547 Produced, Powered by Numbers Matching 350ci 310hp V8 Engine, 700R4 Overdrive Transmission, Sebring Primo Classics International LLC In addition, a W-31 would never have had a 3-groove pulley because A/C was not available with that motor. . An original 1970 W-30 car like the one I authenticated in Chicago [Beth Bimbi's Oldsmobile, "Mom's W-30," Feb. '16] is easy to authenticate. If everything checked out, then negotiation would definitely occur to the satisfaction of both parties. Lot #65,720. The all-new Turbo GT model is at the top of the model range. (Article and photos copyright Auto Museum Online), Your email address will not be published. W-31s have a lot of rare engine parts on them. Looks to be mostly complete and restorable but agree with the others about the mileage. You've really got to know what you're looking at. It was introduced as an option package for F-85 and Cutlass models sold in the United States beginning with the 1964 model year. What makes the W-31 the car it is, is Oldsmobile' 325 HP, 350 CI, V8 engine. FASTEST TOP SPEED OF ANY PRODUCTION MUSCLE CAR( Disclosure4), 3) Porsche 911 3.0 Carrera RS 109 built. 1962 Chevrolet Corvette4 days$33,750Bid Now, 1978 Chevrolet Corvette5 days$2,100Bid Now, 1971 Lincoln Continental Mark III6 days$2,750Bid Now, 1961 Volkswagen Samba Deluxe 23-Window8 days$100Bid Now. A 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31 recently sold at auction for $90,000. Jimmy was astounded to find an old color print that John's mother had taken at the dealership where she picked up the car brand new. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,600],'barnfinds_com-leader-1','ezslot_9',149,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-leader-1-0'); This is a car that requires a personal inspection The steering wheel looks pretty worn, both pedal pads are missing, even the paint on the pedals is worn off, the drivers door arm rest pad is shot, the seats, has the odometer rolled over? AS mentioned above, the Cutlass W-31 came with a 350 cubic inch V-8 engine with 325 HP. This is one of the cars I have always wanted, Im pretty familiar with these cars, but this one is really going to cost you. Among those other pursuits is Minore's complete and total infatuation with Oldsmobile's W-Machines, specifically the 1968-1972 models. Oldsmobile Decoding Oldsmobile Engine Color Cutlass Production Numbers Mopar Decoding Mopar Engine Colors Mopar Fender Tag Decoding 4-Speed Transmission Decoding Engine Decoding Mopar VIN Decoding VIN 1964 & 1965 VIN 1966 & 1967 VIN 1968 & 1974 Cutlass Production Numbers Subscribe to our mailing list Become a member to add images to your comments. At first Andy considered selling. The 1970 Oldsmobile W-Machines (W-30, W-31), all manufactured in Lansing, Michigan are considered to be the ultimate Oldsmobile Super Cars. :) :) :). By 1971 it was only available as a cover. There's a certain spot weld you have to look for where they spot-welded the four-speed transmission boot adaptor bracket into the transmission tunnel. . Oldsmobile built 1,352 of these muscle cars for the 1970 model year: 1,029 as Cutlass S Holiday Coupe two-door hardtops, 116 as Cutlass Sports Coupes (a two-door post), and 207 in the F-85. The Porsche 911 GT3 is one of the highest performing sports cars in the 911 lineup and is designed primarily for ultimate track performance. I started buying cars in 1980 and through the years they almost all had at least 70k and yet somehow all these cars have half that 30-40 yrs later When it comes to the W-30 cars, Oldsmobile made only about five or six different Julian codes, and you've got to be able to recognize those carburetors when you see them. Minore (right) chats with Ryan Weaver at the 2015 MCACN show about Weaver's barn-found 1969 W-31. The major change for the 1970 W-31 was the deletion of the long induction tubes. What does it take to build a 911? Pulling off the sheet revealed a Twilight Blue W-31 that Jimmy marveled was "original and hadn't been touched in years," right down to the original Goodyear Polyglas tires on stock rims. I always wonder why they stopped making this model. In spite of the clutch being shot, its not too tough a job to replace. According to a recent 2021 study from Consumer Reports, out of twenty-eight automakers in the U.S. market, However, it isn't remembered with quite the same fevour by Porsche 911 enthusiasts despite Zuffenhausen limiting production to just 109 units, making it, The Dodge Charger Reliability Rating is 3.5 out of 5.0, which ranks it 10th out of 12 for fullsize cars. By The muscle car movement was quite strong during the latter 1960s but automakers did see a need to offer lower cost performance cars. If the latter is true,then it appears to be very hard miles. A full-size spare wheel with a Goodyear tire is located in the trunk. I would rather have a clean all together 200,000 mile car than one claiming such low mileage with everything worn out. John had a tri-power 1966 Olds 4-4-2 stolen, so he got this W-31 in a less flashy package. 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It is quite rare and very much in demand. Jimmy, already a W-31 owner, informed Andy that his 1970 Oldsmobile was a W-31. Neat car. The transmission VINs need to be correct, and the factory tag needs to be on the right side of the transmission. Features include 14 Super Stock II wheels, front disc brakes, dual hood scoops, and a push-button radio. There is a good amount of rust on areas visible in the photos, and you dont have any photos of the drivers side at all. The 1970 Oldsmobile W-Machines (W-30, W-31), all manufactured in Lansing, Michigan are considered to be the ultimate Oldsmobile Super Cars. Most powerful production V-8 engine with 797 horsepower and 707 lb. $32,500 Dealership CC-1661981 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Yellow 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 442 AUTO 8-Cylinder Recent Arrival!This 1970 Oldsmobile 442 hardtop c . Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Greenlight Barrett-Jackson Auction Block 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W31 Holiday Cpe at the best online prices at eBay! The seller acquired the car in April 2021, and subsequent work is said to have included installation of a Bluetooth-capable stereo, performing an alignment, servicing of the power steering system, and replacement of the shocks and tires. Love the car! While very cool, and desirable, the seller is just a little proud on this one. With that being said, the asking price is ridiculous. If the passenger side is rusted (front fender, rocker, quarter) you can be pretty certain the drivers side is just as bad. It's easy! Find new and used 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass classic cars for sale near you by classic car dealers and private sellers on Classics on Autotrader. The body panels, however, appear to be free of crash damage so thats encouraging. Vehicles with Similar 21.55 HP/Weight Ratio Both 1969 Hurst Olds had the 455 cu. As the car was originally Rallye Pac equipped it is a shame that the Tic-Toc-Tach is MIA. Get Used 1970 Oldsmobile Values Select a 1970 Oldsmobile Model Select a vehicle year and model below to get a valuation. Dabblers or flippers in the muscle car hobby would likely mistake the unique W-31 350 as a common GM V-8 fitted with a four-barrel. Not worth 8-9 K, It is strange all the cars on here that have such low mileage. VIEW PRICES. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. What does it cost to authenticate a 1970s Oldsmobile muscle car? The needle was buried to end peg. At its introduction, the Cutlass was Oldsmobile's entry-level model; it began as a unibody compact car, but saw its greatest success as a body-on-frame intermediate.The Cutlass was named after the type of sword, which was common during the Age of Sail. But even between Porsche and BMW, the comparison is somewhat skewed. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. The flat ridge acted like a spear. Missed updates will be sent once your connection has been reestablished. Compression Ratio was also up to 10.5 from 10.25. During the period from 1968-1972 most Olds Cutlass buyers went with the V-8 series standard 350 cubic inch engine. These Cutlass models were equipped with the Rallye 350 package. Senior year I had a six pack challenger paid 2500, Your insurance rates must have been off the charts with that lineup of cars . The muscle car's future looked grim. My inspection would be an all-day affair, so the fee would be in the neighborhood of $1,000. We would share knowledge about these cars with each other.". It looked and sounded like it was a W-30, but it was a Cutlass W-31. Keep me in the conversation via email. I liked the under bumper hood scoops on the 68-69, just like the bad W/30. "See these hands, son? At that point I asked the owner if he had any paperwork and he said yes. The outside air now came through the hood scoops and directly into the air cleaner. A complete interior is going to cost a minimum of $2500 by itself. Assuming the VIN derivative shows it to be a 1970 block, and the #6 heads have the 2.000/1.625 valves, and the cam is the correct 308 degree cam, and it has the W-31-unique balancer, and it has the correct distributor, and the pistons are flattops, then there's a high probability that the motor is an original W-31. The car will move, but the clutch is shot. He also includes a burb stating that this Olds is a 49K mile example. How hard would it be to change out the clutch or even rebuild the tranny for that $22k ask? More than 300,000 Porsche cars were sold in 2021. Clarke..American Muscle Cars: A Full-Throttle History by Darwin Holmstrom and Tom Glatch. You are not connected to real-time updates. I have owned W30 442s and several Hurst Olds through the years, and most recently a 70 4 speed Rallye 350. Here, small-blocks and extra graphics filled in for multiple carburetors, solid lifters, and 7-plus liter displacement levels. While W-31 is down on engine displacement, the power is no different than a 68 Oldsmobile 442 with an automatic transmission so whether this serves as a high insurance premium salve or not, it is hard to say. California Notice at Collection The W-31 actually started out in 1968 and was the Cutlass-based Ram Rod 350. A lot of people don't know that. I agree. Nope. His cousin Pete Chillemi owned a 1972 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 four-speed car, red with white stripes. No, they're not too common. We stumbled onto this decrepit screaming yellow zonker during a waltz through Sendell's Auto Specialties in Shelbyville, N.C. (704/434-6759), a GM-centric salvage yard specializing in 1962 through 1988 models. If you don't win, your existing pre-authorization will be released. Minore: I go from the top to the bottom to the best of my knowledge working with the references that I have. Your real-time updates could not be connected. Oldsmobile muscle car fanatics, you will want to take a very close look at this amazing Olds W-Machine! Cutlass rear bumper is worth a thousand dollars, that is if you can find one. Sliding into the number one spot, the French brand was named the most reliable car brand of all, beating all other manufacturers to the top. Available on any F85, Cutlass, or Cutlass-S 2-door hardtop or pillar coupe for a measly $157.98, the Rallye 350 came only in eye-blistering Sebring Yellow paint which covered just about everything, including the bumpers, standard issue N66 Super Stock II wheels, fiberglass W25 hood (right off the big W30 4-4-2), and W35 trunk spoiler. W-31s have a lot of rare engine parts on them. Its a nightmare. This car is way overpriced, by the time you bring it back to life you will have well over $50,000 invested. Look at the drivers door closeup showing the GM label, there is paint overspray there as well. This car has seen some rough riding. "Unless you have a paper trail, it's next to impossible to say this is a true W-31 factory car," he says. Just picked up a 65 dodge dart from the original owner, 32000 miles on it. The Oldsmobile Cutlass was a series of automobiles produced by General Motors' Oldsmobile division between 1961 and 1999. One of the best examples was the 340 CI Dodge Dart GTS which later helped spawn Plymouths Duster 340. 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Production was very low. He pulled it out, and it was the broadcast sheetthat car's Golden Ticket! Its why its so hard for me to pay the crazy numbers they want now. If you win the auction, your card will be charged for the service fee and you pay the seller directly for the vehicle. Olds dealer propaganda touted the Rallye 350's base price of $3,252.84 was $67.16 less than a comparably equipped Plymouth Road Runnerthe original budget muscle car.
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